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HELOC / cash-out refi

Also called heloc · home equity line · cash out refinance · cash-out refi · second mortgage talk

Community talk. May contain inaccuracies. Not financial, tax, legal, or investment advice. No return or outcome is promised.

A HELOC is a reusable credit line secured by your home. A cash-out refinance replaces your mortgage with a larger loan and pays you cash. Homeowners compare them to fund expenses without selling, but the choice changes which debt gets a new rate.

CFPB · 2024

01

How the borrowing and comparison work

Equity is value you own, not cash in an account. It is the home's current value minus the mortgage owed. Having equity does not guarantee approval: income, credit history and the home's value affect how much a lender will offer. The lender evaluates the property and finances before approving the credit.

FTC · 2025

A HELOC lets you borrow, repay and draw again. With an existing first mortgage, it is commonly a second loan beside it. During the draw period, money can be accessed by check, online withdrawal or a linked card. Payments may initially cover only interest, leaving the borrowed principal unpaid.

FTC · 2025

Cash-out replaces the whole mortgage. The new loan pays off the old one, with the remaining proceeds available as cash after costs. Its rate applies to the entire new balance, not just the cash taken out. A separate home equity loan instead provides a lump sum beside the first mortgage.

CFPB · 2024

Compare the same cash need and intended repayment period. Start with the old mortgage balance, rate, payment and remaining years, then the project amount and timing. Compare the old payment plus projected HELOC payments against the replacement mortgage, including fees and total interest. A longer term can lower monthly payments while extending the debt.

CFPB · HELOC booklet

Cash-out reprices the old mortgage as well as the new cash. Illustration: $200,000 remains on a 3% first mortgage and a project needs $40,000. A hypothetical 8% HELOC leaves the $200,000 at 3% and adds $40,000 at 8%. A 6% cash-out mortgage replaces both with $240,000 at 6%, before fees. A simple annual interest snapshot on unchanged balances is $9,200 for the two loans versus $14,400 for cash-out. This is not an amortization or payment quote: principal repayment, changing HELOC rates, timing, fees and remaining terms must be modeled before drawing a total-cost conclusion.

Illustration · context: CFPB
Which balance gets the new rate?

The same project needs $40,000 beside $200,000 already owed. The article’s invented rates compare which principal gets repriced.

  • Existing mortgage at 3%
  • HELOC at 8%
  • Replacement mortgage at 6%
HELOC route: $200,000 at 3% + $40,000 at 8%
Cash-out route: one $240,000 mortgage at 6%
Annual interest snapshot if balances stayed unchanged
StructureArithmeticInterest
Two loans$6,000 + $3,200$9,200
Replacement mortgage$240,000 × 6%$14,400

The smaller headline rate is applied to a much larger balance. Cash-out changes the old mortgage rate as well as funding the project.

The segments distinguish separately priced loans from one replacement mortgage. This unchanged-balance snapshot is not amortization, a payment quote or total-cost advice. Fees, rate changes, repayment timing and remaining terms still matter.

Request the documents that match the product. For a typical cash-out mortgage, the Loan Estimate outlines proposed terms; the later Closing Disclosure records closing terms. A Loan Estimate is not approval. HELOCs use Truth-in-Lending disclosures instead: compare the draw and repayment schedule, rate changes, minimum withdrawals and credit limit.

CFPB · 2024

Fees can outweigh a small rate difference. HELOC agreements may charge application, appraisal/title or other closing fees, annual or inactivity fees, early cancellation fees and fixed-rate conversion fees. The agreement determines which apply; a line advertised with low opening costs can still have later charges.

CFPB · 2024

02

Why homeowners consider them

Phased spending can suit a credit line. For a project paid in stages, a HELOC permits draws as bills arrive, with interest on the amount borrowed. Keeping the first mortgage avoids changing its rate; this does not guarantee lower overall costs.

FTC · 2025

Cash-out can create one mortgage payment. A replacement loan combines the old balance and extra borrowing under its new terms. This can simplify repayment, especially when the existing loan also needs changing, but a higher rate on a large old balance can offset that convenience.

CFPB · HELOC booklet

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Good to know

Test the payment beyond the introductory period. HELOC rates are usually variable. Check the rate after any introductory offer, its adjustment rules and the repayment payment. When draws end, principal repayment can sharply raise the bill; some plans demand the full balance. Fixed-rate conversions depend on the plan and may cost more.

CFPB · 2026

An undrawn line is not guaranteed emergency cash. A significant home-value decline or a material financial change affecting repayment can lead to a freeze of further draws. Borrowed money remains owed. A plan based on refinancing later also depends on qualifying for that future loan.

CFPB · 2026

Debt consolidation puts housing at stake. Both structures use the home as collateral, so nonpayment can lead to losing it. Moving cards or a car loan into housing debt changes the creditor, not the amount owed. Stretching a five-year car debt over 10–30 years can increase total interest.

CFPB · 2024

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From community discussion

A 3% mortgage did not make a renovation HELOC comfortable. A New York homeowner reported a $200,000 renovation HELOC alongside a fixed 3% mortgage. Variable-rate uncertainty prompted interest in cash-out, yet they resisted losing the first mortgage's rate. Replies asked about its remaining balance and term and raised fixed second-loan alternatives; no final outcome was reported.

Community · Reddit

A $55,000 renovation balance created a retirement-withdrawal dilemma. One household reported a variable HELOC at 6.65% and weighed paying $55,000 from a traditional IRA in 2026, splitting withdrawals across two years, or gradual repayment. Replies disagreed over the payment burden and withdrawal taxes. These were household options, not a verified tax calculation.

Community

A long renovation changed the draw-versus-lump-sum debate. A mortgage-free homeowner budgeted $450,000–$550,000 for roughly 14 months of work. Some replies favored borrowing in stages; another favored a fixed mortgage because a large variable balance could be uncomfortable. The project estimate and future borrowing plans were not completed results.

Community · Reddit

A zero balance and an open line were different questions. One borrower reported keeping $10 outstanding plus about a $50 annual fee after a bank said zero would close the line. Another paid to zero, later borrowed $24,000 for seven days pending insurance money, and reported no interest charge. A third kept $2,000 at prime minus 0.76 percentage points for future improvements. These bank-specific experiences do not establish a universal closure or free-borrowing rule.

Community

Project overruns mattered after the paperwork ended. Reports began with the purpose of the money, then asked whether the housing payment would still fit if work cost more than expected. They described years of secured debt and warned against spending equity as though income had risen. The cash received was not the same as the total loan balance.

Community

Paying the contractor brought a second set of decisions. In a July 2024 renovation discussion, one borrower moved HELOC draws into checking and kept canceled checks with contractor receipts. Another preferred writing the lender's checks directly and keeping a file for each contractor. After calculating the monthly finance charge, the original poster reconsidered borrowing and wondered about using savings instead. Opening the line had not settled either the payment routine or whether to draw from it.

Community · Early Retirement

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  1. HELOC rates and the current world events ↗

    id
    money-wave-heloc-talk — HELOC rates and the current world events
    role
    Community discussion
    accessed On
    2026-09-23
    locator
    turbul3nt28 opening project-funding question; goodfight10 undrawn-line reply.
    scope
    A borrower was reluctant to take a lump sum before obtaining renovation quotes; staged access and rate uncertainty were different concerns. Sales outreach and rate forecasts excluded.
    limitations
    Selected self-reported public posts and replies, not verified outcomes, a representative sample, a prevalence estimate, or financial/legal proof. No private account material or linked financial screenshots accessed.

  2. What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC? ↗

    id
    money-wave-heloc-rule — What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC?
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-23
    locator
    Home equity loan and cash-out refinance bullets.
    scope
    A cash-out refinance replaces the existing mortgage with a larger one; its costs and rate apply to that replacement loan.
    limitations
    Primary context for the named narrow claim; does not determine an individual account, eligibility or outcome.

  3. What is a home equity line of credit (HELOC)? ↗

    id
    money-guide-heloc-cfpb-heloc — What is a home equity line of credit (HELOC)?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-24
    locator
    Borrowing from a HELOC; Entering the repayment period; last reviewed August 28, 2026
    scope
    Equity definition, draw and repayment periods, variable rate, example minimum draw, and a lender's ability to freeze further draws.
    limitations
    The page does not set a national loan-to-value cap or a borrower's payment.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  4. What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC? ↗

    id
    money-guide-heloc-cfpb-similar-loans — What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-24
    locator
    Cash-out refinance bullet; last reviewed June 27, 2024
    scope
    A cash-out refinance replaces the existing mortgage with a bigger mortgage and pays the difference in cash, often with closing costs.
    limitations
    It does not compare a specific household's old rate with a new offer.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  5. What is a second mortgage loan or junior-lien? ↗

    id
    money-guide-heloc-cfpb-junior-lien — What is a second mortgage loan or junior-lien?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-24
    locator
    Second-mortgage payoff order and the car-loan example; last reviewed September 11, 2024
    scope
    HELOCs are commonly second mortgages, the house is collateral, and replacing shorter debt with a mortgage can extend repayment.
    limitations
    The page does not price a cash-out refinance against a HELOC for a named property.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  6. What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-similar — What other types of loans are similar to a HELOC?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Cash-out refinance and second mortgage bullets; last reviewed June 27, 2024.
    scope
    HELOC versus replacement mortgage, cash proceeds, closing costs, effect of changing the old mortgage rate.
    limitations
    U.S. general explanation; not a quote, national lending cap or household recommendation.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out
    published Or Updated
    2024-06-27

  7. Home Equity Loans and Home Equity Lines of Credit ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-ftc-equity — Home Equity Loans and Home Equity Lines of Credit
    platform
    FTC
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Using the Equity; Home Equity Loans Explained; Home Equity Lines of Credit Explained; page marked September 2025.
    scope
    Equity, income/credit/value eligibility, lump-sum home equity loan, draw access, interest-only versus repayment, disclosure and account rights.
    limitations
    U.S. federal consumer guidance; provider terms vary. Month-only publication marking is not converted to an invented day.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  8. What You Should Know About Home Equity Lines of Credit ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-booklet — What You Should Know About Home Equity Lines of Credit
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    PDF pp. 2–3 comparison; pp. 6–9 costs, draw and offer comparison.
    scope
    Cash-out single payment, rate/term/cost tradeoffs, borrowing schedule and comparing offers.
    limitations
    Publication date not verified from document body. Educational comparison, not priced offers.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  9. What information do I have to provide a lender in order to receive a Loan Estimate? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-estimate — What information do I have to provide a lender in order to receive a Loan Estimate?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Six application items; three-business-day delivery; Note exclusions; reviewed April 3, 2024.
    scope
    Estimate versus approval and distinction between mortgage Loan Estimate/Closing Disclosure and HELOC Truth-in-Lending disclosures.
    limitations
    General U.S. disclosure framework; not lender approval or a timing promise for funding.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out
    published Or Updated
    2024-04-03

  10. What fees can my lender charge if I take out a HELOC? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-fees — What fees can my lender charge if I take out a HELOC?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Fee list; reviewed June 27, 2024.
    scope
    Application, origination/appraisal/title, inactivity, annual, early cancellation and fixed conversion fees.
    limitations
    Lists potential fees, not mandatory charges or fee amounts.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out
    published Or Updated
    2024-06-27

  11. What is a home equity line of credit (HELOC)? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-heloc — What is a home equity line of credit (HELOC)?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Borrowing from a HELOC; Entering the repayment period; reviewed August 28, 2026.
    scope
    Variable rate, minimum draws, fixed conversion, end-of-draw payment change, possible balloon repayment and conditional freezes.
    limitations
    Ten-year draw and $300 draw are examples; no universal term, limit or rate.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out
    published Or Updated
    2026-08-28

  12. What is a second mortgage loan or junior-lien? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-cfpb-junior — What is a second mortgage loan or junior-lien?
    platform
    CFPB
    role
    Official context
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Definition/payoff order and debt consolidation tip; reviewed September 11, 2024.
    scope
    HELOC commonly second lien, home collateral, debt substitution and five-year car debt extended to 10–30 years.
    limitations
    Not every HELOC is a second lien; does not calculate a borrower's total interest.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out
    published Or Updated
    2024-09-11

  13. HELOC help - cash out refinance info needed ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-reddit-variable — HELOC help - cash out refinance info needed
    platform
    Reddit · r/HELOC
    role
    Community discussion
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    NoOstrich775 opening; New York follow-up; replies on old mortgage balance, term, HELOC cap and fixed alternatives.
    scope
    Homeowner reports fixed 3% mortgage and $200,000 renovation HELOC, dislikes variable-rate uncertainty but does not want to lose first mortgage rate.
    limitations
    Self-report; no verified final refinance outcome. Relative timestamps not converted to dates. Replies include lender/provider talk and unverified forecasts/rates; omitted.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  14. Major Renovation: HELOC or Cash out Refi? ↗

    id
    money59-heloc-cash-out-reddit-project — Major Renovation: HELOC or Cash out Refi?
    platform
    Reddit · r/Mortgages
    role
    Community discussion
    accessed On
    2026-09-29
    locator
    Reno-CC-Throwaway opening and 14-month follow-up; contrasting replies by liverichly and TomLiolos_Mortgages.
    scope
    Mortgage-free owner estimates $450,000–$550,000 project over 14 months; replies disagree on phased draws versus fixed-rate certainty for a large balance.
    limitations
    Budget/projection, not completed outcome. Self-identified mortgage professionals may have commercial interests. Expected added equity, predictions and categorical tax claims not accepted. Relative dates not converted.
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

  15. How to use HELOC for home renovation ↗

    id
    money-community-20261009-heloc-invoices — How to use HELOC for home renovation
    platform
    Early-Retirement.org
    role
    Community discussion
    published Or Updated
    2024-07-10–2024-07-11
    authors
    • Lorenzo
    • pacergal
    • rk911
    locator
    Posts #1, #2, #10 and #11; tax and lien replies read but not imported as rules.
    scope
    Competing check-handling routines, invoice records and the original poster's reconsideration after pricing interest.
    limitations
    Personal bookkeeping and borrowing experiences; no claim that every improvement raises tax basis or that HELOC interest is automatically deductible.
    accessed On
    2026-10-09
    slugs
    • heloc-cash-out

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  • heloc
  • home equity line
  • cash out refinance
  • cash-out refi
  • second mortgage talk
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A HELOC is a credit line on home equity; a cash-out refinance replaces the first mortgage and takes cash.
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Borrowers weigh drawing money as a project proceeds against taking a lump sum, while comparing how much debt gets a new rate and what happens if the payment rises.
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  • heloc
  • cash out refi
  • home equity
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    Replacing a mortgage affects its existing balance
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    Cash-out comparisons need the old balance and rate as well as the additional cash. [community]
watch For
The house is collateral. Compare the rate, fees and repayment terms, including changes in the payment. This is not advice.
what People Say
  • The job: use equity without listing the house. [community]
  • r/personalfinance and r/RealEstate mix HELOC and cash-out in the same sentence. [community]
how People Run It
  • They write the use of funds before they shop. [community]
amounts People Use
  • Compare the actual borrowing structure: a home equity line of credit provides a line from which money may be drawn; a cash-out refinance replaces the existing mortgage with a new, larger loan. The cash received is not the same as the total balance owed. [community]
how People Keep It
  • A payment they can still make if the project overruns. [community]
how It Feels
  • Paperwork, then a number that is still a house payment. [community]
how Long People Run It
  • The debt can last for years: the draw and repayment periods or the replacement mortgage term determine the schedule, while the loan remains secured by the home. [community]
deep Dive
  • Borrowing equity changes the ongoing housing budget: the new debt needs payments even if the renovation or other purchase does not go as planned. A cash-out refinance also changes the existing mortgage, so compare the full housing cost and remaining monthly income, not only the cash available today. [community]
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  • Using the house to live like a raise. [community]
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  • rent-vs-buy
  • house-poor
  • credit-card-apr
  • avalanche-vs-snowball
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      • r/personalfinance HELOC vs cash-out threads
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      Community talk. May contain inaccuracies. Not financial, tax, legal, or investment advice. No return or outcome is promised.
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        • Housing threads mix the two products, rates, closing costs and whether the project is real. The house is collateral.
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        • A HELOC is a line on home equity; a cash-out refi replaces the mortgage and takes cash — two different doors, both 2026 rate fights.
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        • A HELOC is a line on home equity; a cash-out refi replaces the mortgage and takes cash — two different doors, both 2026 rate fights.
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          Line vs new first mortgage
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          HELOC keeps the first loan; cash-out replaces it. [community]
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          Kitchen vs card dump. [community]
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          Rate in 2026 is the plot
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          People wait or they don’t. [community]
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        • This is not advice. The house is collateral. Not $STUD. Rules and rates move.
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        • A credit line or a new principal — not a vibe. [community]
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        • Rent vs buy and house-poor sit next door. [community]
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      definition
      A HELOC is a credit line on home equity; a cash-out refinance replaces the first mortgage and takes cash.
      community Picture
      Borrowers weigh drawing money as a project proceeds against taking a lump sum, while comparing how much debt gets a new rate and what happens if the payment rises.
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      guide
      what
      • The moving part is which loan changes. With a first mortgage already on the house, a HELOC is usually an open-end second line, and the first loan stays. Draws come from a limit. The payment follows the amount borrowed, not the unused limit. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's HELOC page, last reviewed August 28, 2026, defines equity as the home's value minus the mortgage still owed.
      • A cash-out refinance is not a second line. The CFPB page on loans similar to a HELOC, last reviewed June 27, 2024, says it replaces the existing mortgage with a bigger mortgage and turns the difference into cash. Closing costs are common. The cash received is smaller than the new balance, because that balance also pays off the old mortgage and any costs rolled in.
      • A closed-end home equity loan is the other mix-up. It is usually a second mortgage too, but the money arrives once. The CFPB junior-lien page, last reviewed September 11, 2024, says a HELOC or home equity loan is paid after the first mortgage if the house is sold to cover the debts. A cash-out refinance becomes the new first mortgage instead.
      how
      • Write the use of the money and the old loan before comparing offers. Note the current balance, rate, remaining term, and principal-and-interest payment. Write the cash the project or bill needs as its own number, separate from fees.
      • For a HELOC, read the limit, the draw period, and the repayment period on the plan. The CFPB uses a 10-year draw as an example and says repayment is often set over 10 or 20 years. Access is usually by check, card, or transfer. Some plans require a minimum draw; that page gives $300 as an example. The rate is usually variable. A conversion to a fixed rate, where the plan allows it, is usually at a higher rate. List the fees the lender can charge, including application, closing, inactivity, annual, early-cancellation, and conversion fees. The agreement states which ones apply. Draw-period payments often cover interest on the amount used. When the draw ends, new borrowing stops, and the payment often rises because principal repayment starts. Some plans call the full balance due then.
      • For a cash-out refinance, put the old loan and the new loan on one sheet. The new balance is the old payoff, plus the cash, plus financed closing costs. The payment can rise because the loan is larger, the rate is different, or both. A longer term can shrink the payment while interest runs for more years. The lender's Loan Estimate shows the rate, the new payment, cash to the borrower, and closing costs. The Closing Disclosure is the later check.
      • A normal comparison is two columns. The HELOC column keeps the first-mortgage payment and adds the line payment on the amount expected to be drawn, then the payment after the draw period. The cash-out column replaces the old payment with the new one and shows cash actually received. The house is collateral in both. The CFPB says a HELOC lender can freeze further draws if the home's value drops or the lender decides the payments are no longer supportable.
      understand
      • The two structures match different timing. A line can be drawn as bills arrive, so interest during the draw follows the amount used. A cash-out refinance resets the whole first mortgage for one lump of cash. That is a weak fit when the draw is small and short and the new rate is higher than the current first-mortgage rate. The CFPB says a cash-out refinance can cost more or less than a HELOC depending on the terms.
      • Those CFPB pages do not print one national loan-to-value cap. The lender's equity and credit rules set the limit, and the HELOC agreement or the Loan Estimate states it. A freeze can cut off undrawn funds the budget was counting on. The common miss is treating the cash, or the unused line, as the amount of new debt. On a cash-out refinance the debt is the new, larger mortgage. On a HELOC the old mortgage continues and the drawn balance is added.
      • Using either product to pay off a car or credit cards does not erase the debt. The CFPB's junior-lien page says that move substitutes a loan secured by the house, and stretching a five-year car loan into a 10-, 15-, or 30-year mortgage can raise total interest even when the rate looks lower. Community notes describe the same mix-up of line and refinance. The agreement and the Loan Estimate still have to confirm the rate, the fees, the payment, and what happens when the draw period ends.
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